1. Adolf Hitler Dinnerware # 375
The first thing to note in regards to Adolf's dinnerware is that it
became available 8-10 years ago in one huge set of over 300 pieces or
more. They appeared out of nowhere and the original asking price for the
entire setting was 30,000 U.S. These pieces sat for some time on one
dealer site, and then they were spread out to two other dealers in
pieces and sets, these dealers pieced them out for various prices as
attributed to Adolf Hitler and a gift from Allach porcelain.
This would have been a very large setting and I would guess some
could say maybe on his 50th birthday, but the list of gifts states
nothing about a huge Allach dinner set, and if it were in April of 1939,
the use of gold leaf would still have been allowed. One would think
that a gift to the Fuehrer would be top notch and no expense spared.
This is just not the case.
Another notable question is the use of transfers (decals) The only pieces that utilized transfers under Allach were commercial Juhlfest plates, never presentations and a presentation to the top would surely secure special considerations. The use of transfers gets even more interesting as there appear to be two different variants of the transfer. One is a raised eagle with a bold gold finish and has the initials A.H attached to the wingtips a good looking piece.
The second variant transfer is a flattened dull gold eagle where the initials are detached from the wingtips and in some cases both transfer variants can over run into the plate itself as opposed to being fit to the rim. So why would one large dinner set have 2 variant transfers, one of higher quality than the other?
The other interesting thing to note is the porcelain itself, it would appear that the pieces with the higher quality transfer are also higher quality porcelain, but the porcelain is more suited to Rosenthal than Allach as it has a distinctive off-white hue and is pretty good quality, but it does not conform to original Allach dinnerware.
The porcelain on the pieces with the dull eagle transfer is bright white, just like Allach, but the quality does not compare and it is very light and translucent when held up to the light, more like some kind of inexpensive tableware. So now we have the use of two different style transfers and the use of two different porcelains within one presentation set, neither of which resemble Allach why?
The really interesting thing about these pieces, is that even though they involve the use of 2 transfers and 2 types of porcelain they bear the exact maker mark. This maker mark although textbook in appearance it entirely inconsistent with any other Allach piece manufactured for their entire 9 year existence. Including dinnerware!.
The marking is not consistent at all with Allach, it is green I will give it that. But it sits high and over the base of the piece on close examination and bears an almost paint like application. It is a mystery to me as to why this mark has not shown itself on any other fakes, except if you take into consideration it would throw flags all over the place.
When you look at the piece themselves they appear to be period style deco pieces, but the detail is lacking to such a degree, that it really begs to question whether Allach played a role in their manufacture at all.
Another notable question is the use of transfers (decals) The only pieces that utilized transfers under Allach were commercial Juhlfest plates, never presentations and a presentation to the top would surely secure special considerations. The use of transfers gets even more interesting as there appear to be two different variants of the transfer. One is a raised eagle with a bold gold finish and has the initials A.H attached to the wingtips a good looking piece.
The second variant transfer is a flattened dull gold eagle where the initials are detached from the wingtips and in some cases both transfer variants can over run into the plate itself as opposed to being fit to the rim. So why would one large dinner set have 2 variant transfers, one of higher quality than the other?
The other interesting thing to note is the porcelain itself, it would appear that the pieces with the higher quality transfer are also higher quality porcelain, but the porcelain is more suited to Rosenthal than Allach as it has a distinctive off-white hue and is pretty good quality, but it does not conform to original Allach dinnerware.
The porcelain on the pieces with the dull eagle transfer is bright white, just like Allach, but the quality does not compare and it is very light and translucent when held up to the light, more like some kind of inexpensive tableware. So now we have the use of two different style transfers and the use of two different porcelains within one presentation set, neither of which resemble Allach why?
The really interesting thing about these pieces, is that even though they involve the use of 2 transfers and 2 types of porcelain they bear the exact maker mark. This maker mark although textbook in appearance it entirely inconsistent with any other Allach piece manufactured for their entire 9 year existence. Including dinnerware!.
The marking is not consistent at all with Allach, it is green I will give it that. But it sits high and over the base of the piece on close examination and bears an almost paint like application. It is a mystery to me as to why this mark has not shown itself on any other fakes, except if you take into consideration it would throw flags all over the place.
When you look at the piece themselves they appear to be period style deco pieces, but the detail is lacking to such a degree, that it really begs to question whether Allach played a role in their manufacture at all.
Not one period picture, process of manufacture for Allach even
during war time was consistent. It never really deviated in quality or
marking. The liberation of Dachau in direct proximity to Allach has been
documented, and the liberators had a field day busting glass and taking
war booty of every thing that was not nailed down. Spoon, knives,
plates, bowls, flags. Yet? we are expected to believe that 300 pieces of
dinnerware manufactured for Adolf Hitler was left inside this little
building for 50 years to be found and sold on the web out of the blue.
The above reference was written
by myself a year ago, since that time two new variants of Adolf Hitler
dinnerware have come to market. Both bear the higher quality transfer
with initials to wingtips. However the style and maker marks are both
new and inconsistent with the previous sets. They are also inconsistent
with Allach manufacture as well.
So to date, we have four
different styles of porcelain, three different maker marks, two
different styles of transfers, none of which are consistent with Allach
and all purport to be from one set of 300. There must be 700 pieces out
there and I am of the opinion its all bad.
Adolf Hitler Dinnerware
Adolf Hitler Dinnerware
REFERENCE ONLY. (SOLD or NOT FOR SALE)
The first thing to note in regards to Adolf's dinnerware is that it
became available 8-10 years ago in one huge set of over 300 pieces or
more. They appeared out of nowhere and the original asking price for the
entire setting was 30,000 U.S. These pieces sat for some time on one
dealer site, and then they were spread out to two other dealers in
pieces and sets, these dealers pieced them out for various prices as
attributed to Adolf Hitler and a gift from Allach porcelain.
This would have been a very large setting and I would guess some
could say maybe on his 50th birthday, but the list of gifts states
nothing about a huge Allach dinner set, and if it were in April of 1939,
the use of gold leaf would still have been allowed. One would think
that a gift to the Fuehrer would be top notch and no expense spared.
This is just not the case.
Another notable question is the use of transfers (decals) The only pieces that utilized transfers under Allach were commercial Juhlfest plates, never presentations and a presentation to the top would surely secure special considerations. The use of transfers gets even more interesting as there appear to be two different variants of the transfer. One is a raised eagle with a bold gold finish and has the initials A.H attached to the wingtips a good looking piece.
The second variant transfer is a flattened dull gold eagle where the initials are detached from the wingtips and in some cases both transfer variants can over run into the plate itself as opposed to being fit to the rim. So why would one large dinner set have 2 variant transfers, one of higher quality than the other?
The other interesting thing to note is the porcelain itself, it would appear that the pieces with the higher quality transfer are also higher quality porcelain, but the porcelain is more suited to Rosenthal than Allach as it has a distinctive off-white hue and is pretty good quality, but it does not conform to original Allach dinnerware.
The porcelain on the pieces with the dull eagle transfer is bright white, just like Allach, but the quality does not compare and it is very light and translucent when held up to the light, more like some kind of inexpensive tableware. So now we have the use of two different style transfers and the use of two different porcelains within one presentation set, neither of which resemble Allach why?
The really interesting thing about these pieces, is that even though they involve the use of 2 transfers and 2 types of porcelain they bear the exact maker mark. This maker mark although textbook in appearance it entirely inconsistent with any other Allach piece manufactured for their entire 9 year existence. Including dinnerware!.
The marking is not consistent at all with Allach, it is green I will give it that. But it sits high and over the base of the piece on close examination and bears an almost paint like application. It is a mystery to me as to why this mark has not shown itself on any other fakes, except if you take into consideration it would throw flags all over the place.
When you look at the piece themselves they appear to be period style deco pieces, but the detail is lacking to such a degree, that it really begs to question whether Allach played a role in their manufacture at all.
Another notable question is the use of transfers (decals) The only pieces that utilized transfers under Allach were commercial Juhlfest plates, never presentations and a presentation to the top would surely secure special considerations. The use of transfers gets even more interesting as there appear to be two different variants of the transfer. One is a raised eagle with a bold gold finish and has the initials A.H attached to the wingtips a good looking piece.
The second variant transfer is a flattened dull gold eagle where the initials are detached from the wingtips and in some cases both transfer variants can over run into the plate itself as opposed to being fit to the rim. So why would one large dinner set have 2 variant transfers, one of higher quality than the other?
The other interesting thing to note is the porcelain itself, it would appear that the pieces with the higher quality transfer are also higher quality porcelain, but the porcelain is more suited to Rosenthal than Allach as it has a distinctive off-white hue and is pretty good quality, but it does not conform to original Allach dinnerware.
The porcelain on the pieces with the dull eagle transfer is bright white, just like Allach, but the quality does not compare and it is very light and translucent when held up to the light, more like some kind of inexpensive tableware. So now we have the use of two different style transfers and the use of two different porcelains within one presentation set, neither of which resemble Allach why?
The really interesting thing about these pieces, is that even though they involve the use of 2 transfers and 2 types of porcelain they bear the exact maker mark. This maker mark although textbook in appearance it entirely inconsistent with any other Allach piece manufactured for their entire 9 year existence. Including dinnerware!.
The marking is not consistent at all with Allach, it is green I will give it that. But it sits high and over the base of the piece on close examination and bears an almost paint like application. It is a mystery to me as to why this mark has not shown itself on any other fakes, except if you take into consideration it would throw flags all over the place.
When you look at the piece themselves they appear to be period style deco pieces, but the detail is lacking to such a degree, that it really begs to question whether Allach played a role in their manufacture at all.
Not one period picture, process of manufacture for Allach even
during war time was consistent. It never really deviated in quality or
marking. The liberation of Dachau in direct proximity to Allach has been
documented, and the liberators had a field day busting glass and taking
war booty of every thing that was not nailed down. Spoon, knives,
plates, bowls, flags. Yet? we are expected to believe that 300 pieces of
dinnerware manufactured for Adolf Hitler was left inside this little
building for 50 years to be found and sold on the web out of the blue.
The above reference was written
by myself a year ago, since that time two new variants of Adolf Hitler
dinnerware have come to market. Both bear the higher quality transfer
with initials to wingtips. However the style and maker marks are both
new and inconsistent with the previous sets. They are also inconsistent
with Allach manufacture as well.
So to date, we have four
different styles of porcelain, three different maker marks, two
different styles of transfers, none of which are consistent with Allach
and all purport to be from one set of 300. There must be 700 pieces out
there and I am of the opinion its all bad.
Adolf Hitler Dinnerware
Adolf Hitler Dinnerware